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10man Heroic VS 25man Normal - A Path Forward

In an ideal Azeroth, we would have 25 people show up each night cocked, locked and ready to rock. Unfortunately, over the last 6-8 weeks we have rarely been able to field a raid force of 25 people. Now with the nerf to Firelands, we have proven that we can clear normal content with as few as 20 (21 for Majordomo). To a person in the guild, we would prefer to progress raiding 25man content, however we have been stuck farming normal mode. Thus we are at a crossroads, to progress in heroics in 10man vs more 25man farm. Attempting heroics in 25man as short handed as we have been is really not an option as much as we wish it would be different.

Doing 25man had its advantages when new recruits still needed gear and we could help those dps casters working on the legendary quest get things done faster. However, we are pretty much at the point where the legendary quest is the only real advantage to doing 25man. Essentially only Majordomo and Rags drop loot people are interested in.

However, there are still a number of people who are interested in heroic progression. It would appear the only way to get heroic progression is in 10man raids. (We are now 3/7 in 10mans)

So where do we go from here?

Recruit .. ALL CLASSES AND ROLES . If we want to get back to 25man progression we need to fill the ranks. EVERYONE in the guild should be recruiting. Keep in mind we don’t want scrubs or warm bodies to fill slots. It is not worth it to anyone to raid with people who are not capable of heroic content. We should not compromise quality to get quantity. Everyone should be directing people to app on the website, the faster we can fill our roster with solid raiders the quicker we can get back to 25man progression.

Progression Lets face it, recruiting takes time and is not a quick fix to anything. We currently have about 16 people who consistently show up every night ready to raid. Which is not enough for 2 10man raids. However, with some augmentation from our alt ranks, we could in fact consistently have 2 10mans each week. To start, we will have 1 10man focus on heroic progress, and the other 10man to run normals and work toward heroics (probably just a week or so.) What this means is that we would have a Raid A which we would fill by rotating in from among the 16 people who consistently show up and are ready to raid. For those who are not in that run in a given week, we would slot them into Raid B which would be filled by a priority system of mains then alts who can fill the roles necessary to move forward. Please keep in mind our alt run is also 7/7 in Firelands, so Raid B should be able to move into heroics rather quickly. The key issue is people consistently showing up and focused.

So one obvious question is who would be prioritized into Raid A each week? First and foremost we need a raid made up of 2 tanks, 2healers, 1 flex heal, 5 dps (where 1 of the 10 is willing to lead). Given that core raid make-up, as per the guilds SOP, dedicated raiders are given priority. From that we will usually have 1 or 2 slots to fill from the raider/initiate ranks. For those slots, the decision will largely be made based on performance and focus. As a guild, we have lost the raiding discipline that was once a hallmark of AoR. So for now the second 10man will serve as an opportunity for people to demonstrate, they have the focus and performance to step up to heroic progression.

Just because you are in the second 10man doesn’t mean we think you need to prove yourself, after all, there are only 10slots to go around for the progression raid. Keep in mind though, EVERYONE needs to demonstrate they can step up, thinking like “I can be unfocused and perform poorly cause this content is a joke” means you won’t get selected to the heroic raid. Every single member of the progression raid will be evaluated based on performance even the dedicated rank and officers. If we expect folks to wait to face this content, we owe it to each other to perform at our best, no excuses! This means being prepared by doing pre-raid homework like reading strats and watching videos.

One thing each of us can do to bring more flexibility to our raid make up is to get that offspec that you have been collecting gear for ready to go. When running 2 10man groups, flexibility can be a great asset to filling a raid. In addition to getting the gear gemmed and enchanted, run some heroics with the spec so you are comfortable playing in the role.

As many of you will immediately realize, this is what we have already been doing. The only new item is that we will be prioritizing getting the second 10man group through on our raid schedule even if we have to augment with alts. The one thing that sucks is leaving people out each week with no means to finish a FL run. This can be fixed.

For this reason, it is imperative that people sign up for raids. In order to manage the logistics of coordinating 2 10mans and rotating in players, we need to have some visibility on raid attendance for a given raid cycle. As the second raid proceeds into heroics, we may need to schedule a second night for them depending on the number of alts needed to fill the raid.

If we want 25man progression, we need to recruit, and that means EVERYONE looking for quality raiders to join our ranks. Until then, the best way we can prepare for 4.3 is to challenge ourselves again. And that can’t happen doing 25man shorthanded each week. The best way to challenge ourselves is to get 2 10man’s doing heroic content. We have outlined above the best path forward in our opinion, what are your thoughts?

The Officers

P.S. OMG RECRUIT! CLEARLY!
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