Raid Logs

[GM Fright]

Shoopz wrote:

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/n7bvpgzCarqGc2xD/#view=rankings&boss=-2 I think this outlines many overall problems with our current raid. Both tanks are in the very low percentiles. A couple dps are in the very low percentile as well. While we are not a "hardcore" raiding guild, I would still like to kill things without wiping constantly to the same issues. If you are low in these rankings please research your classes more.

 I agree!  There's too much information out there (Icy Veins is a good place to start) on what your rotation should be, your talents, your stats, your WeakAuras, etc, for someone to show up in the grey range on these rankings.  It's not fun unless we're killing things (we are, so far...), so make sure you're maximizing your performance.  

Rearrange your UI, re-make your keybinds, practice on training dummies until it's perfect.  Improve yourself for the betterment of the guild!

[Amminidab v2.0]

I see myself being in the top 76% for the heroic Ursoc kill.

 

But seriously, it helps a lot having someone else in the guild to compete dps with. Kreegan and I were bouncing off talent choices throughout the heroic Ursoc kill. While not everyone has this luxury, it isn't difficult to find threads that discuss what talent choices, stat priorities, trinket/gearing choices, etc. As much as it's thrown out there, icy-veins.com is the best site to get a quick but in-depth look on how to efficiently play your class/spec.

 

Take some time out to practice your rotations on the training dummies. Learn how to use your spells efficiently. Get your dps up to a good spot while standing still without throwing in any special mechanics.

 

If you need any help with class abilities, ask someone in the guild and you will receive assistance.

[Toxx32]

On the subject of getting advice from other members of your class, there are Class Discord channels floating around that are literally only members of your class talking about all the minutia of each spec/talent/trinket/boss fight/etc.  I've been hanging out in the Shaman discord and learned quite a bit more than I ever thought I would.

 

DK - https://discord.gg/0ez1cFfUH3ingV96

DH 1 - https://discord.gg/0enuZ4FBFlwM8Kr3

DH 2 - https://t.co/bgpcLZfa87

Druid - https://discord.gg/0dWu0WkuetF87H9H

Hunter - https://discord.gg/yqer4BX

Mage - https://discord.gg/0gLMHikX2aZ23VdA

Monk - https://discord.gg/0dkfBMAxzTmggsPH

Pally - https://discord.gg/0dvRDgpa5xZHFfnD

Priest - https://discord.gg/0f1Ta8lT8xXXEAIY

Rogue - https://discord.gg/0h08tydxoNhfDVZf

Shaman - https://discord.gg/0VcupJEQX0HuE5HH

Warlock - https://discord.gg/0onXDymd9Wpc2CEu

Warrior - https://discord.gg/0pYY7932lTH4FHW6

 

[Somosito]

I'll have to check that out.  This is some of the shit I'm having to work with: https://www.beotorch.com/batch.php?r=9354d26f-6917-11e6-9379-008cfa070490

It's good, but it's very spreadsheet, bland, numerical, boring, eye bleeding data.

[Azakel]

I just flat out suck, can't blame being sick.  I hear that both DK dps specs are really falling behind, but doesn't explain why I'm not measuring up to other unholy dks.  Frustrated.

[GM Fright]

I can't tell you how often a simple change in my keybindings or UI arrangement has dramatically increased my performance.  But even that is only half as many times as adding a new mod or weakaura has helped.  I cannot play this game with any sort of reasonable effectiveness without having addons that help me keep track of shit.

If there's an ability that you think you could be using more effectively, make a weakaura for it.  If there's a debuff that you don't think you're keeping up 100% of the time, make a weakaura for it (or get a Dot timer mod).  If there's a self buff that you're not using as often as you should, or at the right times, make a weakaura for it.

If you don't know how to use the WeakAura mod, let me know what you want and I'll make one for you.  I have every class at lvl 100 at least, and I'm pretty good with weakauras, so this is for everyone in the guild.  If you're not even sure WHAT you need weakauras to track for you, let me know and I'll figure that out, also.  

Being a DPS in this game is really just about hitting your buttons as fast as you can (ABC - Always Be Casting), and of course making sure you're hitting the right buttons at the right time.  If the talents, rotation info, weak aura strings, etc, on Icy Veins and other places aren't doing it for you, let me know and I can help.  

I'll post some screenshots of my UI's for various characters tonight when I'm home from work, and info about the mods I use (though I'm sure most of you doofuses use ElvUI). 

[GM Fright]

Remember, too, that those rankings are based only on the kills.  So if you happened to DIE during the kills then that didn't help your ranking.

Of course, dying is bad, but it's not always your fault.  Sometimes it's Toxx's fault, that fucker.

[Azakel]

I've done all that you mentioned, have a nice weak aura setup etc.  I spent some time on the dummy and worked out one kink, I was getting lazy and not rotating my deathcoil in before every strike.  I also think my haste is too low and i have shit trinkets.  Both things I can fix.

[Amminidab v2.0]

Toxx32 wrote:

On the subject of getting advice from other members of your class, there are Class Discord channels floating around that are literally only members of your class talking about all the minutia of each spec/talent/trinket/boss fight/etc.  I've been hanging out in the Shaman discord and learned quite a bit more than I ever thought I would.   DK - https://discord.gg/0ez1cFfUH3ingV96 DH 1 - https://discord.gg/0enuZ4FBFlwM8Kr3 DH 2 - https://t.co/bgpcLZfa87 Druid - https://discord.gg/0dWu0WkuetF87H9H Hunter - https://discord.gg/yqer4BX Mage - https://discord.gg/0gLMHikX2aZ23VdA Monk - https://discord.gg/0dkfBMAxzTmggsPH Pally - https://discord.gg/0dvRDgpa5xZHFfnD Priest - https://discord.gg/0f1Ta8lT8xXXEAIY Rogue - https://discord.gg/0h08tydxoNhfDVZf Shaman - https://discord.gg/0VcupJEQX0HuE5HH Warlock - https://discord.gg/0onXDymd9Wpc2CEu Warrior - https://discord.gg/0pYY7932lTH4FHW6

 Thanks for posting this. I found out a major flaw in my rotation and should get this fixed once I work on breaking down my muscle memory.

[Somosito]

The best shadow priest (and the only one making most of the BiS lists and stat weights [at least publically] available) has retired from WoW.  Twintop has been providing most of the information for our class since Cataclysm when he decided to fill a void.  If anyone knows of any information other than icyveins/mmochamp/or howtopriest for shadow priests, I'd be grateful.  I've tried to run some sims, but Twintop maintained that too.  Literally everything, and it's gone.  

[~Curad]

I found a more efficient rotation that should greatly increase my hps. No more renews for youse.  I'll leave hots to the drood.

In my researches into holy priest I found all kinds of dispiriting tidbits, such as it's the least mobile of all the healing classes and it has questionable utility in a raid environment.  I'm not sure I want to learn any more about my class on the internets.

Being consistently #1 on just about all of the avoidable damage taken lists, I've had first-hand experience with the mobility issue. I will try to be more acutely aware of the placement of my toes.

[GM Fright]

Thursday 10/13/16 - Normal EN Clear + Heroic Nythendra/Dragons/Ursoc

All awards are for boss attempts only.  Congratulations to our prestigious winners:

Kreegan ranked in the 80% range, 86% for his ilvl, on the Heroic Nythendra kill.
Frightening(Backmask) ranked in the 91% range, also 91% for his ilvl, on the Heroic Nythendra kill.
Shoops(Vorholle) ranked in the 90% range, 76% for his ilvl, on the Heroic Dragons kill.
Siletense ranked in the 80% ranged, 81% for his ilvl, on the Heroic Dragons kill.
Kreegan ranked in the 81% ranged for his ilvl on the on the Heroic Dragons kill.
Frightening(Backmask) ranked in the 87% range, 90% for his ilvl, on the Heroic Dragons kill.
Hallaer(Valamandil) ranked in the 85% range on the Heroic Dragons kill.
Shoops(Vorholle) ranked in the 85% range on the Heroic Ursoc kill.

Shoops(Vorholle) gets the Breaking Double Digits Award for doing over 10% of the raid's overall damage!

Frightening(Backmask) gets the It's Easy When The Other Healers Are DPSing Award for beating the socks off the other healers for the night!

Kreegan gets the I'm Going to Blink This Meteor Onto EVERYONE! Award for taking the LEAST damage by a good margin for the night!

Bakadin and Viseraen get the So THIS is What Tanks Do!! Award for having over 93% and 95% survivabiltiy, respectively, for the night!

Vyshrael(Illidaar) gets the Phase Two Is For Standing Still, Right?! Award for taking a fuck-ton of damage from Infested Ground AND Big Bugs, and dying twice to them, during the Heroic Nythendra Kill!

 

 

[GM Fright]

If you're interested in finding some of the best performances on certain fights, and how you stack up to them:

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/rankings/10#boss=1841&difficulty=4

This is for Heroic Ursoc, but you can change it to any boss on any difficulty with the filters at the top.

Keep in mind, however, that the top ranks are sometimes cheesed there, especially in the healing meters.  They are at least going to probably be members of bleeding edge guilds that have a couple legendaries and all that shit.  They will also be in guilds that are killing these bosses very quickly, which means they are spending a higher percentage of the fight time under the effects of pots, cooldowns, and bloodlust; or as healers they can worry less about preserving mana and more about spamming high output spells.  

So all of that is to say that you should probably go down a hundred or two slots to start to find more plausibly comparisons, and then start looking at their gear/talents/etc to see what you might do to improve.  Compare them to your meters and find out what spell/ability is accounting for a higher portion of their damage/healing than it is yours, and try to discover why.

[Baklanumn]

I think that there might be something off with the tank ratings. When going through them I'm 37th Percentile for damage on Il'gynoth(N) for the night but apparently I wasn't even a tank for the fight...

I'm going to reach out to some of the other tanks that helped me last time to figure out why my boss survivability percentile is so low on the logs when outside of the Ursoc enrage deaths it appears that Vis and I did substantially better than last time.

[GM Fright]

The Tank survivability rankings are not exactly the most scientific thing in the world, and I wouldn't read too much into them, necessarily.  Aside from being a weird combinations of interesting calculations in the first place (which may or may not still take into account Resolve, which doesn't exist anymore), simply having good healers (and/or fast DPS, to a lesser extent) will lower your ranking, because that requires less work keeping yourself alive.  It does not measure in any significant way tank swapping on time, getting away from the raid when needed, picking up mobs quickly, etc.  It primarily measures, so far as I can tell, how much of your surviving YOU'RE responsible for, vs how much your healers are responsible for.  And it's not even super accurate in doing that.  

Long story short, the tank rankings can be helpful in some ways, but they are not as stark of a measure of "skill" as the damage and healer rankings can be.  More effective use of your damage mitigation, cooldowns, and self-healing will raise your ranking, but there are simply more variables involved than that.

The reason you're not listed as a tank on the Il'Gynoth attempt is because we killed everything so fast, especially your first tentacle, that you weren't tanking things for long enough to be registered as a tank.  
The reason you're listed as DPS on that fight is because everyone is listed on the DPS and healing rankings.  

Does that answer your questions?

(Also the link to the Thursday logs wasn't working for some reason, so I've fixed it.)